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Nice! very much like my Breitling! Thanks! Is the picture from a book??


From Richter's History of Breitling book. Does the watch have a rotating bezel where the inside scale rotates with the outer bezel?


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Micke23 wrote:
Nice! very much like my Breitling! Thanks! Is the picture from a book??


From Richter's History of Breitling book. Does the watch have a rotating bezel where the inside scale rotates with the outer bezel?


Ooh, that's embarassing.

I guess I should keep a copy of Richter in the office. :oops:


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Micke23 wrote:
Nice! very much like my Breitling! Thanks! Is the picture from a book??


From Richter's History of Breitling book. Does the watch have a rotating bezel where the inside scale rotates with the outer bezel?




Yes it has...
Is this a collectible Breitling? is it a keeper?
I really enjoy it, any info on the machine?


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Micke23 wrote:
Nice! very much like my Breitling! Thanks! Is the picture from a book??


From Richter's History of Breitling book. Does the watch have a rotating bezel where the inside scale rotates with the outer bezel?


Ooh, that's embarassing.

I guess I should keep a copy of Richter in the office. :oops:




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so it is a real Breitling then? The K Stockholm Brand does not reduce the value?


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Definitely real.

Richter isn't perfect but it's the closest that we have to a 'bible' on vintage Breitlings and I should have known that this one was in there - my mistake.

The dealer logo makes it more interesting that a regular one, but doesn't really do anything for the value, plus or minus.

The movement is a Felsa automatic - Paul's better at these Felsas than me - a 690 Paul???

These aren't especially valuable, the slide rule adds some value to a regular automatic of this period so maybe $750 or so.


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Interestingly if you look on page 154 of Richter's book under 2508/25 you'll see the description as 'Chronomat, round case, central second, turning bezel for calculating. Wow, a Chronomat that's not a chronograph. I'd say a pretty rare cookie. The movement I'd say is the Felsa 4000 which is also in the Breitling Unitime which is a very, very, similar watch but with a date capability. Here you can see what one of those went for:

http://cgi.ebay.ph/MINT-VINTAGE-BREITLING-UNITIME_W0QQitemZ330383492000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item4cec6403a0

I sold mine a few years back for $1800 and thought I got a deal. This 2508/25 is probably rarer that the Unitime and the only one I've seen in watching Breitling's for about 13 years now. The fact that it has a special Swedish dial would really only increase the value to someone probably with Swedish roots but it's a very collectible piece for sure.


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Interestingly if you look on page 154 of Richter's book under 2508/25 you'll see the description as 'Chronomat, round case, central second, turning bezel for calculating. Wow, a Chronomat that's not a chronograph. I'd say a pretty rare cookie. The movement I'd say is the Felsa 4000 which is also in the Breitling Unitime which is a very, very, similar watch but with a date capability. Here you can see what one of those went for:

http://cgi.ebay.ph/MINT-VINTAGE-BREITLING-UNITIME_W0QQitemZ330383492000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item4cec6403a0

I sold mine a few years back for $1800 and thought I got a deal. This 2508/25 is probably rarer that the Unitime and the only one I've seen in watching Breitling's for about 13 years now. The fact that it has a special Swedish dial would really only increase the value to someone probably with Swedish roots but it's a very collectible piece for sure.


$1,800 :wowzers - that was a heck of a price. A regular early 50s time only wouldn't bring anything like that - the 2509 earlier this week was $595 if I remember correctly.

I'm not sure that Richter is quite right about the 2508 / 25 being a Chronomat. I understand completely why he says it, and it may simply be a semantics issue, but the only time only watches that were branded Chronomat as far as I know are from the 1970s.


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I guess I have a piece of history on my arm :)
And I´m from Stockholm, Nice!

Waiting for answer from Breitling office in Stockholm on monday.


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Interestingly if you look on page 154 of Richter's book under 2508/25 you'll see the description as 'Chronomat, round case, central second, turning bezel for calculating. Wow, a Chronomat that's not a chronograph. I'd say a pretty rare cookie. The movement I'd say is the Felsa 4000 which is also in the Breitling Unitime which is a very, very, similar watch but with a date capability. Here you can see what one of those went for:

http://cgi.ebay.ph/MINT-VINTAGE-BREITLING-UNITIME_W0QQitemZ330383492000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item4cec6403a0

I sold mine a few years back for $1800 and thought I got a deal. This 2508/25 is probably rarer that the Unitime and the only one I've seen in watching Breitling's for about 13 years now. The fact that it has a special Swedish dial would really only increase the value to someone probably with Swedish roots but it's a very collectible piece for sure.


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I'm not sure that Richter is quite right about the 2508 / 25 being a Chronomat.


Yeah but if you look at the picture from the Richter book I posted in this thread earlier you'll see it has the Chronomat 217012 on the dial just below the hands. That's why I think this Swedish watch is just the Swedish version of the pictured Chronomat. Rare methinks.


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vintage wrote:
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Interestingly if you look on page 154 of Richter's book under 2508/25 you'll see the description as 'Chronomat, round case, central second, turning bezel for calculating. Wow, a Chronomat that's not a chronograph. I'd say a pretty rare cookie. The movement I'd say is the Felsa 4000 which is also in the Breitling Unitime which is a very, very, similar watch but with a date capability. Here you can see what one of those went for:

http://cgi.ebay.ph/MINT-VINTAGE-BREITLING-UNITIME_W0QQitemZ330383492000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item4cec6403a0

I sold mine a few years back for $1800 and thought I got a deal. This 2508/25 is probably rarer that the Unitime and the only one I've seen in watching Breitling's for about 13 years now. The fact that it has a special Swedish dial would really only increase the value to someone probably with Swedish roots but it's a very collectible piece for sure.


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I'm not sure that Richter is quite right about the 2508 / 25 being a Chronomat.


Yeah but if you look at the picture from the Richter book I posted in this thread earlier you'll see it has the Chronomat 217012 on the dial just below the hands. That's why I think this Swedish watch is just the Swedish version of the pictured Chronomat. Rare methinks.



Fair enough, and I have no evidence to disagree with you - it likely is just semantics.

Technically the patent number is associated with the bezel gearing as you know, so that might still be appropriate.

At the end of the day it's a great watch whatever you call it, although the naming probably impacts ultimate value. Beyond that - who cares what it's called :lol:


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yes a great watch indead, keeps time perfect! I´m a new Breitling fan because of it!


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oooops, bad english ;) sorry, I´m from Sweden................Swenglish...

However, is it an object to sell? is there any interest in this kind of watch?


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oooops, bad english ;) sorry, I´m from Sweden................Swenglish...

However, is it an object to sell? is there any interest in this kind of watch?


Your English is better than my Swedish :lol:

Actually, your English may be better than my English :shock: :?

There is always a market for watches at the right price. The Swedish connection may limit the appeal outside of Sweden, although it won't prevent a sale. The market for watches in general is depressed at the moment because of the global economy so if you don't need to sell then you may be better off holding on to it for a year or two, but if you need to sell there is a Buy / Sell / Trade section here that you can try (I'm sure that there will be interest at the right price :!: :!: )and then of course there is eBay. Dealers won't offer you as much generally, but may be worth talking to them in this case as there is the Swedish connection.


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oooops, bad english ;) sorry, I´m from Sweden................Swenglish...

However, is it an object to sell? is there any interest in this kind of watch?


Your English is better than my Swedish :lol:

Actually, your English may be better than my English :shock: :?

There is always a market for watches at the right price. The Swedish connection may limit the appeal outside of Sweden, although it won't prevent a sale. The market for watches in general is depressed at the moment because of the global economy so if you don't need to sell then you may be better off holding on to it for a year or two, but if you need to sell there is a Buy / Sell / Trade section here that you can try (I'm sure that there will be interest at the right price :!: :!: )and then of course there is eBay. Dealers won't offer you as much generally, but may be worth talking to them in this case as there is the Swedish connection.



haha, thanks :)

No I do not need to sell it, but it is always good to know if there is a market for it. I agree, the watchmarket is slow, depending on what you sell offcourse. In Sweden there is a site http://www.tradera.se (now a part of ebay), check it out some day, directlink to watches (klockor)
http://www.tradera.com/Klockor-19

Anyway, Im very pleased with my Breitling, and impressed over the machine, runs like a clock!


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hm....the serial number on the machine is 568971 - 636507
then it would be made in 1945??


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