The Breitling Watch Source Forums

Breitling Watch Information Forums, Navitimer, Chronomat
It is currently Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:36 am

Board index » General Watch Discussion » General Watch Discussion

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 2 of 2
  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Flynbyu
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:02 am 
Offline
King of Ling
King of Ling
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:48 pm
Posts: 2092
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 2 posts
Location: Fort Smith, AR USA
Very, very good post Driver.

I learned something new today!

~Brian

_________________
Breitling Super Avenger
Fortis Flieger Chronograph
Rolex Submariner Date
Image
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Driver8
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:54 am 
Offline
Contributing Moderator
Contributing Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:39 am
Posts: 12837
Likes: 148 posts
Liked in: 519 posts
Location: UK
Flynbyu wrote:
Very, very good post Driver.

I learned something new today!

~Brian

Thanks a lot Brian! Good to help when I can. :thumbsup:

_________________
Driver8

Site Moderator
Image
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
yntl2003
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:01 pm 
Offline
Breitling Enthusiast
Breitling Enthusiast

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:47 pm
Posts: 38
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Driver8 wrote:
ctmartin wrote:
Earlier in this post it was mentioned that the grade of steel used in Rolex watches might be higher than in Breitling or other watches. What makes one type of steel better than another? Certainly if we were talking about gold then we could talk carrat weight, but steel has no such ratings. Why would the rolex steel be considered superior to the steel in a Breitling? Thanks for the help!

In actual fact there are many, many different grades of steel. The most commonly used steel in quality watch-making for making cases and bracelets is 316L steel as it is a good all-rounder - reasonably hard, reasonably corrosion resistant, shiny when polished, etc.

Rolex are the only mainstream manufacturer to use 904L steel which has a higher nickel and molybdenum content and is slightly more scratch resistant and more corrosion resistant than 316L. If I remember rightly, 904L is more often used for some surgical applications (although the high nickel content is not ideal for anyone with nickel allergies!) and for machine parts that are used in highly corrosive atmospheres - like sulphuric acid manufacture, sulphur dioxide rich environments, etc. By all accounts you'd be rather hard pressed to actually be using a wrist watch in the type of environments when the additional corrosion resistance would really count for anything - if you were in a bath of sulphuric acid, then telling the time is likely to be the last thing on your mind!! Some people maintain that seawater has less of an effect on 904L steel, but you're well advised to thoroughly wash your watch in fresh water after immersion in seawater anyway! 904L is apparently 3 times as expensive as 316L steel due to the cost of the nickel and molybdenum elements.

I don't have all the metallurgical details to hand, but do a quick search on the net for 316L steel and 904L steel and you'll find a wealth of information. Hope this helps. :thumbsup:


Driver8 is pretty much spot on. 316L Stainless steel is actually considered a cheap stainless steel in the metal finishing industry (electroplating) due to its high amount of carbon content. Higher carbon content = higher chance to rust over time. You may not want to take a magnet near your watch, but you can check how high the grade of stainless steel is by seeing if the magnet will stick to the metal. If the magnet sticks, it's practically a carbon steel.

As for 904L costing more than 316 stainless that would be true. Especially these days where the price of molybdenum and nickel have skyrocketed!

The comment about sulfuric acid bath is a bit funny, as I was leaning over a vat of it today. *sigh*, I'm sure the fumes from the acid isn't very conducive to my chronomat evo's health :(

Anyways, this thread has gone off on quiet a tangent. Back to the main topic I suppose :D . I'm certain you would be very happy with a Rolex Submariner as it is almost a staple in most people's watch collections; however, after awhile, I would find it to be a bit bland. Everyone has one, in my opinion I would rather spend $8000 on something like an IWC sptifire double chronograph.

Just my two cents!
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Watchmakeress
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:45 pm 
Offline
Breitling Fanatic
Breitling Fanatic
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:45 pm
Posts: 190
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Location: AZ
yntl2003 wrote:
... in my opinion I would rather spend $8000 on something like an IWC sptifire double chronograph.

$8000??? A Submariner retails for MSRP $5175 nowadays....
That's the best 5k spend on a watch IMO...
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
yntl2003
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:50 pm 
Offline
Breitling Enthusiast
Breitling Enthusiast

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:47 pm
Posts: 38
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Watchmakeress wrote:
yntl2003 wrote:
... in my opinion I would rather spend $8000 on something like an IWC sptifire double chronograph.

$8000??? A Submariner retails for MSRP $5175 nowadays....
That's the best 5k spend on a watch IMO...


Yea, I'm going by the price that his AD quoted him in the original post :wink:
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
sportback
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:48 pm 
Offline
Breitling Connoisseur
Breitling Connoisseur
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:46 am
Posts: 646
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Location: Auch, France
I paid a little more - but then I'm very impatient and couldn't face waiting months if I ordered one here in France :wink:

Despite loving my Panerai and Breitlings, the Rolex is really a lovely piece of machinery - particularly now that the bracelet has been revised. I wouldn't say that it wears as large as a Panerai 'Wall Clock' but it's easy to read and as 'bling' as I want go.

Rolexes always seem to attract attention (which is NOT what I'm looking for) and despite wearing a mix of Panerai and Breitling, the GMT (or the Submariner) always seem to be noticed far more easily than the others - this could be down to the marketing of course.

Very happy with mine - it's a keeper!

_________________
Navitimer World, Evo, Blacksteel, Avenger
Loads of Panerai
Submariner Date, GMT Master llc
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Flynbyu
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:44 am 
Offline
King of Ling
King of Ling
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:48 pm
Posts: 2092
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 2 posts
Location: Fort Smith, AR USA
Watchmakeress wrote:
yntl2003 wrote:
... in my opinion I would rather spend $8000 on something like an IWC sptifire double chronograph.

$8000??? A Submariner retails for MSRP $5175 nowadays....
That's the best 5k spend on a watch IMO...


I would have to agree. There are some nice discounts available with certain dealers to leave a little of that cash in your pocket.

~Brian

_________________
Breitling Super Avenger
Fortis Flieger Chronograph
Rolex Submariner Date
Image


Last edited by Flynbyu on Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Flynbyu
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:45 am 
Offline
King of Ling
King of Ling
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:48 pm
Posts: 2092
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 2 posts
Location: Fort Smith, AR USA
sportback wrote:
I paid a little more - but then I'm very impatient and couldn't face waiting months if I ordered one here in France :wink:

Despite loving my Panerai and Breitlings, the Rolex is really a lovely piece of machinery - particularly now that the bracelet has been revised. I wouldn't say that it wears as large as a Panerai 'Wall Clock' but it's easy to read and as 'bling' as I want go.

Rolexes always seem to attract attention (which is NOT what I'm looking for) and despite wearing a mix of Panerai and Breitling, the GMT (or the Submariner) always seem to be noticed far more easily than the others - this could be down to the marketing of course.

Very happy with mine - it's a keeper!


I find that my Breitling attracts more attention than my Rolex.

~Brian

_________________
Breitling Super Avenger
Fortis Flieger Chronograph
Rolex Submariner Date
Image
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
chicagofan00
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:48 pm 
Offline
Breitling Enthusiast
Breitling Enthusiast

Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:46 am
Posts: 20
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Watchmakeress wrote:
yntl2003 wrote:
... in my opinion I would rather spend $8000 on something like an IWC sptifire double chronograph.

$8000??? A Submariner retails for MSRP $5175 nowadays....
That's the best 5k spend on a watch IMO...


Where can I get the Submariner in Rolesor for $5175? The last time I was in an AD in December the price was about $7800. Is the $5175 price tag for the on in steel only?
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Flynbyu
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:15 am 
Offline
King of Ling
King of Ling
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:48 pm
Posts: 2092
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 2 posts
Location: Fort Smith, AR USA
chicagofan00 wrote:
Watchmakeress wrote:
yntl2003 wrote:
... in my opinion I would rather spend $8000 on something like an IWC sptifire double chronograph.

$8000??? A Submariner retails for MSRP $5175 nowadays....
That's the best 5k spend on a watch IMO...


Where can I get the Submariner in Rolesor for $5175? The last time I was in an AD in December the price was about $7800. Is the $5175 price tag for the on in steel only?


Stainless steel Submariner retails for $5175.

I purchased mine from Ultra Jewels in Cancun for $4075.

~Brian

_________________
Breitling Super Avenger
Fortis Flieger Chronograph
Rolex Submariner Date
Image
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Altair
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:19 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:24 am
Posts: 2681
Likes: 3 posts
Liked in: 71 posts
Location: Dhahran KSA
Chicagofan,

I think you are refering to the two tone model (Gold and Stainless) but did not explicitely mension that. That is about the price for that model.

The prices quoted by the guys are for the SS model, anyway forget list prices and always fish around for at least a 10-15% discount on something as relatively available as a Rolex Sub. You could save 1k by going across the street or making a few calls. Just stick to an AD there are some scary fakes out there.

_________________
Certified watch nut.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
chicagofan00
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:53 pm 
Offline
Breitling Enthusiast
Breitling Enthusiast

Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:46 am
Posts: 20
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
My original post was asking about the one in Roselor (stainless steel and 18k Gold Combo), but it probably just got lost along the way. I would of course only stick to the ADs as I would not want to find out later on I purchased a fake! :shock:
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Watchmakeress
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:19 pm 
Offline
Breitling Fanatic
Breitling Fanatic
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:45 pm
Posts: 190
Likes: 0 post
Liked in: 0 post
Location: AZ
chicagofan00 wrote:
Where can I get the Submariner in Rolesor for $5175? The last time I was in an AD in December the price was about $7800. Is the $5175 price tag for the on in steel only?

Oops, sorry guys, I must've read right over that detail! :oops:
But yeah, get the Rolex, much better watch! :thumbsup:
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 2 of 2
  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

Board index » General Watch Discussion » General Watch Discussion

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 62 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
 




Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group