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Author:  Handy154 [ Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  CHRONOMAT ref 769 execution 2 real or fake?
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Hi guys,

could you look at this for me please?

It looks ok to me except for the crown wheel and the stamps made later on the bridge and internal movement.
Author:  davedc74 [ Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CHRONOMAT ref 769 execution 2 real or fake?
Bezel insert looks wrong, crystal is also wrong (but that's minor).
Author:  WatchFred [ Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CHRONOMAT ref 769 execution 2 real or fake?
watch could actually be original. Steel Chronomat 769 cases produced in 1946 were used up well into the 1950s, so we need to look at how well the other components "fit" - and in this case, the "fat print" insert, the Geneve dial, the unlumed sword hands, movement markings and even crown fit well for a mid 1950s assembly; late, but we've seen those.

crystal is incorrect, but, as Dave says, that's a minor issue.
Author:  davedc74 [ Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:47 pm ]
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I would never disagree, but would love to see that bezel insert more closely...
Author:  davedc74 [ Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:50 pm ]
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And the seller is swisschrono11 for the record ;)
Author:  Handy154 [ Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CHRONOMAT ref 769 execution 2 real or fake?
davedc74 wrote:
I would never disagree, but would love to see that bezel insert more closely...
Author:  Handy154 [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CHRONOMAT ref 769 execution 2 real or fake?
It looks like it has had some work form non Breitling dealers / service centers and had additional engraving and stamps inside the case.

the seller did state replacement crystal.

Did this originally come with a B logo marked crown? I think this is an addition.

Additionally some components below the bridge look to be replaced with non standard parts.

Really grateful for the advice guys.
Author:  WatchFred [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:35 am ]
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watches assembled from the mid 1950s onwards had signed crowns.

almost every vintage Breitling on earth has been serviced by "non-Breitling service centers" or Breitling AD - and with the exception of ONE such service center on earth (including Breitling Switzerland), the Heists in Philadelphia, that is a very good thing, because they tend to butcher vintage watches.
Author:  kreyke [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:23 am ]
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Is there an issue with swisschrono11? Sorry I'm new to this gorum


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Author:  WatchFred [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:22 am ]
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kreyke wrote:
Is there an issue with swisschrono11? Sorry I'm new to this gorum


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some members had unpleasant purchasing experience with that seller
Author:  WatchFred [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:25 am ]
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kreyke wrote:
Is there an issue with swisschrono11? Sorry I'm new to this gorum


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some members reported unpleasant purchasing experience
Author:  Handy154 [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:45 am ]
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WatchFred wrote:
kreyke wrote:
Is there an issue with swisschrono11? Sorry I'm new to this gorum


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some members reported unpleasant purchasing experience


Do you have details please?

J
Author:  WatchFred [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:03 am ]
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incorrect watches, issues with accepting returns of incorrectly described watches were reported by members here, a forum search should bring these up. personal experience with a watch I've won (at an unexpectedly good price) and paid for, only to then be informed he "had to cancel the sale as the watch overnight showed technical issues", still waiting to hear back if he's had the watch repaired and he would honor the sale, but no high hopes here.


so proceeding with caution would be advised.
Author:  Handy154 [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:11 am ]
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WatchFred wrote:
incorrect watches, issues with accepting returns of incorrectly described watches were reported by members here, a forum search should bring these up. personal experience with a watch I've won (at an unexpectedly good price) and paid for, only to then be informed he "had to cancel the sale as the watch overnight showed technical issues", still waiting to hear back if he's had the watch repaired and he would honor the sale, but no high hopes here.


so proceeding with caution would be advised.


Thank you I did do a search but could not find anything.

I will defiantly question him on this.

J
Author:  kreyke [ Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CHRONOMAT ref 769 execution 2 real or fake?
WatchFred wrote:
incorrect watches, issues with accepting returns of incorrectly described watches were reported by members here, a forum search should bring these up. personal experience with a watch I've won (at an unexpectedly good price) and paid for, only to then be informed he "had to cancel the sale as the watch overnight showed technical issues", still waiting to hear back if he's had the watch repaired and he would honor the sale, but no high hopes here.


so proceeding with caution would be advised.


He might have been offered a higher price. Just a guess.


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