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 Post subject: Re: 806 mesh bracelet
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:00 am 
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well, we were clearly talking about the folding clasp mesh bracelet for the Navitimers here - there is ZERO doubt regarding the „mesh strap“ tang buckle bracelets mounted on the 1957 SuperOcean and TransOcean

so Bill, still waiting for your claimed catalogs and advertisements.


I might have read it wrong, but i thought the implication of the discussion was that the buckled clasp ones were found on the superoceans, and I was just trying to show that they were a different style.


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 Post subject: Re: 806 mesh bracelet
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The Chinese fakes are usually poor copies, not entirely made up to fit American sizes


The ones I talk about, are indeed poor quality, as I have held a couple of them in my hands, and with regards to “fit American sizes”, trust me - the Chinese would make them fit the whist of the ones with money.

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 Post subject: Re: 806 mesh bracelet
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How do we know the catalog is from 1957 except for the legend on the picture? Not arguing, just want to know for knowledge and clarification. I have not seen Breitling color catalog shots from that early. It looks more like an advertisement and is one of the ones from my earlier link.


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it is a catalog from the Breitling archives hat I happen to help to manage, dated 1957
there really is little to discuss here


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WatchFred wrote:
well, we were clearly talking about the folding clasp mesh bracelet for the Navitimers here - there is ZERO doubt regarding the „mesh strap“ tang buckle bracelets mounted on the 1957 SuperOcean and TransOcean

so Bill, still waiting for your claimed catalogs and advertisements.


I might have read it wrong, but i thought the implication of the discussion was that the buckled clasp ones were found on the superoceans, and I was just trying to show that they were a different style.

was answering Mr. Shaine, Dave; know you know ;)


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 Post subject: Re: 806 mesh bracelet
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:11 am 
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Hi Fred, Please go back a few posts to yesterday where I provided links and an eBay number for an advertisement with a similar bracelet. Those are what I have for now, in addition to my observations about designs, signatures, and wear. I have also noted the similar bracelets for 0816s that would not have been made after the 70s when the Fried Egg cases were discontinued and which have been around since long before the contemporary retro Fried Egg cases. These bracelets can only be distinguished from the 22mm bracelets that ft Navitimers and 765AVIs by the arc of the lug end and the tongue at the bottom of the end that replaces the wings of the 22mm bracelet in question (also at the lug end). I wish I had more to add. Bill



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I am still curious about the buckle end clasps and whether there is a way to establish that they are really from the early Superoceans. It would be good to get both issues clarified while we are at it.mI agree that the pictures don't seem to quickly answer the question as distinguishing between the two buckle closures. While the buckle closure is tapered, it is barely tapered near the lugs, so that doesn't tell us anything either.

Does anyone know more about the Superocean stamp on the clasp and else that may or may not have occurred?


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yes, they are. say the catalogs, archives and photographs used for ads, a dozen or more of examples I have held in my hands. really have no idea what you want to “establish” here.



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So, of the many examples you have had, they say "Superocean" on them, have a strap like buckle, and you believe them to be 50s?, 60s, 70s?
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I’ve answered that question. launched 1957, manufactured until 1962.
no, I don’t “believe”, I know.


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as you seem to doubt that "strap-like" mesh for the SuperOcean 1004 & 807s, this is from the Breitling archives, should end that discussion, I hope

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I agree that looks real. That, of course, leaves open the original issue. Bill


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BILLSHAINE wrote:
That, of course, leaves open the original issue. Bill


Just trying to wind the gang up I guess.

No one here had any info that would confirm the original issue, and everyone that commented said they were not genuine, do why is the “issue open”? You put forward some theories, and they were refuted by photos, measurements, and catalogues. Issue closed, and an issue that was also discused and closed previously.....


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„looks real“. lol.
go back to shill bidding your ebay listings, Bill - you’ve stolen enough of our time.


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I believe them to be real. The fact that they exist in three sizes, one of which is for the 0816 and progeny (not a volume watch) suggests that they are later bracelets made for for Breitling (which certainly wasn't making its own bracelets). They in no way seem Chinese (or more relevant to the day, Japanese). The quality is high for the period, and the stepped 16mm clasp is not something that an Asian imitator would have discovered more recently without anything to copy. The quantities are tiny. If someone wanted to suggest an Italian copy like the 18k striped Rolex Prince or yellow gold 18k Prince Brancard, I would find it somewhat more acceptable, but even those notorious replicas had something to copy. The Chinese and the Japanese copy cats from back in the day are considerably less sophisticated. The South American and Portuguese of today could do it, but these have been around for quite a while.


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