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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:39 am 
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Hello,

Can anyone confirm if early Breitling Chronomat 769 models do not have a red arrow at the 27 minutes?
Next to Swiss Made.

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A photo to prove should be great. From what time on did they use the red arrow?

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As far as I know , specificities of early Chronomat 769 dials are
1/ FAB. SUISSE
2/ no red Arrow at 27'
3/ no 3-6-9 indexes on the minutes subdial

4/ all black rotating scale

Difficult to determine a "limit" serial number , around 490000 . No correct pic of my Breitling -Singer 484xxx as it is in wreck condition.



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I think they all have the red arrow but some dials have faded badly and may be hard to see.


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this is an example from one of the earliest batches, 491.xxx that already has the arriw, but Fab. Suisse and no 3/6/9 ticks. Phil's Singer is earlier, 484.xxx iirc.

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I have seen examples of early Chronomats without the red arrow at the 27-minute. Could be that the VERY early ones did not have it, or like Vintage said, they may have just worn off.

Here is an example with serial #479xxx, so it's probably from 1942 (the first production year for the Chronomat). If you look closely, you can see the red arrow on the outer slide rule at about the 38-minute marker. However, there is no arrow on the center dial at the 27-minute marker.

Also, follow this link and scroll down to the bottom to find an old Chronomat manual. I cannot find a date for the manual, but the sketches show Chronomats without the arrow you are talking about: http://ferretronix.com/tech/chronomat/index.html


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Thanks guys.

I now see what you mean with the 3-6-9. It is actually 15-30-45-60 instead of 20-40-60.

What about the serial numbers in the caseback. Mine had it in the inside of the case back, but a lot have it on the outside.

(I had serial nr 527533)
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By the way, I had that manual, I gave it to the guy who bought my watch. I still have copys of the manual.

I see one for sale with a number 480487 with the serial nr on the outside, with no red arrow, 15-30-45-60 marking, no text about "Swiss made" at the 6o'clock.

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There are examples of early Chronomats with serial numbers on the inside (like yours above), and ones with serial numbers on the outside. The Chronomat in the photo I posted above has it on the outside with no reference number (probably one of the earliest, before they put the reference number on it).
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My early 769. Fab suisse. Red arrow. Still looking for a pusher, damn hard to find.
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