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2002s are front loaders. I think you might get the serial number on the caseback for the Valjoux variant, otherwise it's inside the caseback (and hence not visible unless you pop out the mechanism)

Job for a watchmaker I think.

It is on the inside of the early Venus Top loaders

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no, I just retrieved my 2002 - same as your photo -and it has the serial numbers on the back. I made the valjoux comment because I was thinking the reverse panda 2002 didn't have the serial number, but thats wrong. So I guess the question is what 2002 doesn't have a serial number. Might just be a year thing - navitimers are like that - perhaps earlier produced pieces had the serial number inside.

Need Fred to show up :-)

split stem crown, needs watchmaker's attention is what I would say

Author:	Montello [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:27 pm ]
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Are all 2002s front loaders? Also - I note some have a serial number below the 2002 in the reverse but some don't; is the serial number elsewhere? e.g. see this one has the serial number: http://www.vintage-watches-collection.c ... pers-1967/

Author:	buddman [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Top Time 2002
2002s are front loaders. I think you might get the serial number on the caseback for the Valjoux variant, otherwise it's inside the caseback (and hence not visible unless you pop out the mechanism)

Author:	Montello [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:02 pm ]
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buddman wrote: 2002s are front loaders. I think you might get the serial number on the caseback for the Valjoux variant, otherwise it's inside the caseback (and hence not visible unless you pop out the mechanism) Ah, thank you. How hard is it to remove the movement? Is there a guide anywhere?

Author:	buddman [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:08 pm ]
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Job for a watchmaker I think.

Author:	Montello [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:18 pm ]
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buddman wrote: Job for a watchmaker I think. Noted. The 2002 featured in the link in my opening post has the serial number one the case back. Does that mean it's not right?

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Author:	buddman [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:47 pm ]
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no, I just retrieved my 2002 - same as your photo -and it has the serial numbers on the back. I made the valjoux comment because I was thinking the reverse panda 2002 didn't have the serial number, but thats wrong. So I guess the question is what 2002 doesn't have a serial number. Might just be a year thing - navitimers are like that - perhaps earlier produced pieces had the serial number inside. Need Fred to show up

Author:	John90 [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:54 pm ]
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It is on the inside of the early Venus Top loaders Sent from my SM-G901F using Tapatalk

Author:	Montello [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:46 pm ]
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John90 wrote: It is on the inside of the early Venus Top loaders Sent from my SM-G901F using Tapatalk Ok. So if it just shows 2002 on the case back does that confirm it is both a front loader and an early version with a Venus movement?

Author:	buddman [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:03 am ]
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Sounds right.

Author:	John90 [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:04 am ]
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It's not as simple as that, early 2002s were TopLoaders with Venus movements (1964/5) and then moved to Valj around 1966 iirc, when Valj bought Venus out, and so as always there are some Transitional models. Late 2002s had removable casebacks and some were even given the model number -33. There were dial and hand variations too. If you are after a 2002 I know of a lovely 1966 'Thunderball' with tropical dial that I owned briefly that a good friend is now selling Sent from my SM-G901F using Tapatalk

Author:	Montello [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:17 am ]
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As ever with these things I guess it is difficult to tell without taking the watch apart. Just wondering what facts could be established from just viewing the watch.

Author:	WatchFred [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:16 am ]
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buddman wrote: no, I just retrieved my 2002 - same as your photo -and it has the serial numbers on the back. I made the valjoux comment because I was thinking the reverse panda 2002 didn't have the serial number, but thats wrong. So I guess the question is what 2002 doesn't have a serial number. Might just be a year thing - navitimers are like that - perhaps earlier produced pieces had the serial number inside. Need Fred to show up sorry, late. Mk1 steel cases are monococque toploaders, Mk2 have a similar design to the 2003, i.e. a pressure back, all cases manufactured by EPSA Piquerez btw. Mk2 have the serial numbers outside. haven't yet seen a Mk1 with that, Mk2 appear to be 67 or later. so Mk2 will typically have Valjoux 7730 or 7733 (most of these are marked -33, but have seen examples without that marking). another difference are the dials and hands, most Mk2 have "full dials", i.e. no tachy/pulsations/deci inserts - and wide baton hands, but transitions everywhere

Author:	Montello [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:52 am ]
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Thanks. What do we make of this crown? https://www.dropbox.com/s/jb143audkcd05 ... 4.MOV?dl=0

Author:	WatchFred [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Top Time 2002
split stem crown, needs watchmaker's attention is what I would say

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Author:	Montello [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:13 am ]
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WatchFred wrote: split stem crown, needs watchmaker's attention is what I would say My thoughts to .... going back Is there a risk of this crown just dropping off?